r/RetroGaming is very strict about retro. They say the Nintendo 64 is retro while the PlayStation 2 is modern. This despite the fact the PlayStation 2 is now 25 years old.
So I got to wonder about this community deems as “retro”.
Or a better question: what’s considered retro and not retro? What’s the fine line between retro and modern?
If it can purchase alcohol it’s retro
/r/retrogaming’s definition doesn’t work anymore now that there are multiple generations that grew up with video games. Just because it doesn’t feel retro to the 40 year old who remembers playing the PS2 as a teenager doesn’t mean it’s not retro. The PS2 is absolutely a retro console, and the PS3 is very much getting there.
Anything pre ~2000, graphics came on incredibly in the years at the end of the 90s start of the 21 century. The difference between FF7 (1997)
and FF10(2001)
is vast
Around 2 generations of consoles ago, or around 10 years, whatever comes “first”.
10 years seems a bit short, that would mean Hearthstone, GTA5 and Sims 4 qualify.
Anything that needs to be played on a CRT.
Old games don’t need to be played on a CRT any more than modern games need to be played on an OLED/LCD flat panel.
So Gameboy isn’t retro?
It goes on vibes. Historically I’d have said anything with an 8- or 16-bit CPU (NES/SNES, Megadrive, the surfeit of home computers before everyone standardised on beige-box Windows PCs). Nowadays I’d say anything slow enough to be emulated reasonably using present-day technology could be said to be retro, so PS2 would count. If video output is analogue PAL/NTSC, that probably also counts.
Back in the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube era the SNES and Megadrive seemed to be retro while the PS1 and N64 were just “old”. So maybe 2 generations ago is the start of retro.
I think it’s definitely a lot blurrier now though. The differences between consoles and the leaps between generations are less pronounced, and there are so many y rereleases and remasters now keeping older games fresh.
Anything running 480i/p is retro. If it’s higher than that, it’s modern.
Anything that came out when I was a kid or earlier is retro so anything pre 2000 is retro. Post is modern.
Anything that came out when I was a kid or earlier is retro so anything pre 1990 is retro. Post is modern.
Anything that came out when I was a kid is retro, so anything pre 1970s is retro. 80s or later is modern.
Anything before the GameCube, PS2, and Original Xbox.
So PS1, Sega Saturn, and Nintendo64 and older are “retro.”
The Atari 2600 and Colecovision are “vintage.”
Pong and the Magnavox Odyssey are “antique.”
What about Dreamcast? 🤔
Just “old”
Original Xbox, GameCube, PS2, Dreamcast - “old.”
PS3, Xbox 360, Wii - “modern.”
PS4, Xbox One - “previous gen”
PS5, Xbox Series - “current gen”
Nintendo Switch - “2015 smartphone”
But the PS3 / 360 are coming up to 20 years old. Hell, one of my adult colleagues was born after the 360 was released. Can they really be considered modern anymore?
The fine line to me is when we started to shift from cartridges to optical media: Dreamcast/PS1/GameCube.
If I were in charge, retro would mean games from 5th generation and earlier.
Modern game design hasn’t fundamentally evolved since the Xbox, PS2, and Dreamcast (Sixth gen) era. Pre 1998, 3D games were still figuring out how to take advantage of 3D, so they don’t quite reach the modern era, but almost all modern games can be traced back to sixth gen.
Likewise, I would classify the early days of 2D the ancient era, which would be anything before the SNES and Sega Genesis (Fourth gen). The NES has classic games, but it wasn’t until the SNES that those games were perfected into their modern formulas.
Microsoft, Sony, AMD, and NVIDIA are all betting big in AI so we might finally be entering a new distinct era soon. DLSS 4 is still blurry af, so we are for sure not there yet.
Anything that would make a kid today instantly say “ew, that old thing?” is retro to me. That includes everything up through PS2/Gamecube/Xbox to me.
Any console that existed before me is retro. I started with the PS1 and N64 so those are modern and all the ones before are retro lol
Stuff before ~2000 is retro. It’s from the previous century after all.
I’d say stuff before ~2000 is retro. It’s from the previous millennium after all, and that seems way older than stuff from just the last century!
